Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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All the craziness of the blood doctrine.

by Crazyguy in

well it looks like the wt was slowly moving away from the blood ban going back to the 1990's but not sure of some things i have read concerning thier comments about blood moving through the placenta?.

that some protein fractions from the plasma do move naturally into the blood system of another individual (the fetus) may be another consideration when a christian is deciding whether he will accept immune globulin, albumin, or similar injections of plasma fractions.

one person may feel that he in good conscience can; another may conclude that he cannot.

Marvin Shilmer

I think Watchtower focuses on normal, natural and healthy wholesale transferences whereas AJWRB is pointing out that cellular blood components are known to also transfer via placenta (though not on a wholesale basis).

The problem with Watchtower's premise is that it fails to apply it consistently for what it represents in relation to placental transference. For example the very 1990 Watchtower you quote from above states of "plasma" that it does not cross the placental barrier "as such" hence "plasma" is not left for each JW to accept based on personal conscience. Yet Watchtower policy allows JWs to accept transfusion of plasma products rendered from blood such as cryoprecipitate and cryo-poor plasma despite neither of these crossing the placental barrier "as such". Hence the premise Watchtower offers is no sound basis to assert its doctrinal position.

Another problem with Watchtower's premise is that it fails to apply it consistently in relation to other healthy organ transfers between mother and child. See: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/02/blood-transference.html

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Ferguson Shooting (Is my thinking on this all wrong.......)

by out4good3 in

i think everyone here can agree that walking down the street, even in the middle of the street, is not cause for having a clip emptied in your ass......... i can understand how the black community would be outraged by the injustice of seeing another black man dead in the street at the hands of the police under mysterious circumstances....... i hope that i'm not succumbing to the attempts to assinate the already well impuned character of the dead man...... however.

i can't help but think that this could all have been avoided by exercising the proper discretion with fore-knowledge of the disadvantages people of color have when they are dealing with law enforcement in the united states.

it is not as if this disadvantage has only since recently came to light.

Marvin Shilmer

I'd be surprised if everything that went on in that patrol car was not recorded. I'd also be surprised if the cruiser was not equiped with an active dash cam. Should be interesting to see if there was anything recorded either as audio or video.

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Ferguson Shooting (Is my thinking on this all wrong.......)

by out4good3 in

i think everyone here can agree that walking down the street, even in the middle of the street, is not cause for having a clip emptied in your ass......... i can understand how the black community would be outraged by the injustice of seeing another black man dead in the street at the hands of the police under mysterious circumstances....... i hope that i'm not succumbing to the attempts to assinate the already well impuned character of the dead man...... however.

i can't help but think that this could all have been avoided by exercising the proper discretion with fore-knowledge of the disadvantages people of color have when they are dealing with law enforcement in the united states.

it is not as if this disadvantage has only since recently came to light.

Marvin Shilmer

"After seeing the video of the convenience store, and the way this bully pushed away a defenseless store owner and walked out with cigarettes, i'm pretty sure things went a slightly different way."

The part of the video that got my attention was not the rough handling, or the alleged theft. What got my attention was when the big guy turned back toward the shop keeper and moved toward him using his size as physical intimidation. That's practiced behavior. It's very threatening. Had I been the shop keeper I have a pretty good idea how the threat would have been resolved then and there, at the precise moment of that act of threatening behavior.

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Ferguson Shooting (Is my thinking on this all wrong.......)

by out4good3 in

i think everyone here can agree that walking down the street, even in the middle of the street, is not cause for having a clip emptied in your ass......... i can understand how the black community would be outraged by the injustice of seeing another black man dead in the street at the hands of the police under mysterious circumstances....... i hope that i'm not succumbing to the attempts to assinate the already well impuned character of the dead man...... however.

i can't help but think that this could all have been avoided by exercising the proper discretion with fore-knowledge of the disadvantages people of color have when they are dealing with law enforcement in the united states.

it is not as if this disadvantage has only since recently came to light.

Marvin Shilmer

"...police officers should be held to a higher standard..."

We can characterize it however we want, but the fact is there is a statutory standard that law enforcement officers are held to. Abiding by that standard is what Darren Wilson should be held accountable to. That's what he should have been trained to and it's what he swore a duty to. Rightly that's the scale he should be judged against.

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Ferguson Shooting (Is my thinking on this all wrong.......)

by out4good3 in

i think everyone here can agree that walking down the street, even in the middle of the street, is not cause for having a clip emptied in your ass......... i can understand how the black community would be outraged by the injustice of seeing another black man dead in the street at the hands of the police under mysterious circumstances....... i hope that i'm not succumbing to the attempts to assinate the already well impuned character of the dead man...... however.

i can't help but think that this could all have been avoided by exercising the proper discretion with fore-knowledge of the disadvantages people of color have when they are dealing with law enforcement in the united states.

it is not as if this disadvantage has only since recently came to light.

Marvin Shilmer

A troubling aspect to me was summed up by a black parent who was asked by her small boy whether he could run from a policeman if that policeman was hurting him. She told her son, "No."

I know white-against-black racism is part of this circumstance because essentially that's where the whole thing is rooted. But I can't help but recoil at images of the numbers of black men seen looting in the aftermath of protests. They are seen standing in line to get their share of loot. These men are part of the problem, and cultures that raise men like this are part of the problem no matter the race. Historically, communities are not lifted from above out of dispair. Rather, communities raise themselves out of dispair. The work of peaceful protesters in the Michael Brown incident I laud and fully support. I wish the same community would likewise protest just as loud and regularly against thugs in their own community.

I'm white. I don't like racism, whether a white thinking suspiciously of a black because of the color of his/her skin or a black thinking suspiciously of me because of the color of my skin. In my neighborhood if you're white and found looting a store you'll get your butt turned in to the police by a white resident. It does not matter if the criminal is your next door neighbor. You turn in criminals no matter the skin. Eventually the community is a safer place to live the result. It does not matter to me (or anyone else in my community insofar as I can tell) that the nearest law enforcement is primarily staffed by black officers, including the chief.

I have no idea the whole story of what happened in the Michael Brown incident. Eventually it'll come out and I say let the chips fall wherever the evidence says they should fall. In the meantime we have looters. Who's going to watch that video and call the State Police Captain and turn in the ones they can recognize? Those who don't call are part of the problem.

Then there's that black mother I spoke of to start with. What she has to tell her boys is wrong. We can do something about that by choosing not to tolerate bad behaviour no matter who's doing it. And it starts at home.

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Outrageous propaganda. "Treat your disfellowshipped loved ones like they're dead, but without mourning them." NOV 2014 study Watchtower

by Watchtower-Free in

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Marvin Shilmer

It's so contrary to biblical record that Watchtower leadership suggests disfellowshipped persons be treated as though dead (like persons stoned to death by fellow Jews!).

According to biblical record early Christians knew what it was to be stoned to death. Many suffered this sort of death, and if we beleive the biblical record some survived the ordeal. Back in those days stoning was apparently "legal" and was carried out publicly as a result. Yet we see nothing in scripture of early Christians disfellowshipping individuals by killing them, as though Christian shunning should be compared with death by communal killing.

My best guess is early Christians would be aghast at Watchtower suggesting the sort of shunning they carried out should be compared with what the larger Jewish community of the day did to them in the way of death by communal killing.

Things done in the name of religion never cease to astound me. Recently I observed a small child of about 6-10 years old recorded on news footage explaining why children murdered by Islamic extremists was a good thing. He said, "No matter age, apostates deserve to die." That boy didn't come into the world thinking like that. The local religion taught him that hate.

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blood transfusion

by asante Frederick in

the explanation of lev.

17:14-16, acts 15:20,28,29 i want detailed explanations.

i tried to explain but he could not understood.

Marvin Shilmer

According to the bible. God views blood as being the seat of life itself. Blood is viewed as being the spiritual symbol or emblem of life

That's wholesale hogwash! ONLY under the Mosaic Law was blood treated as some sort of sacred substance. According to the Bibles I've read Christians are not under Mosaic Law.

Righteous Noah was NOT required to treat blood as a sacred substance:

Ancient Blood Transplantation, and Noahat http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2010/01/ancient-blood-transplantation-and-noah.html

Genesis and meat eating? at http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/12/genesis-and-meat-eating.html

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Demon attacks on JW in past, where'd they go?

by thedepressedsoul in

in the 80's and 90's (maybe even earlier) i remember hearing lots of witnesses talk about "demon attacks".

whether it was someone studying the bible who then started having strange things happen in their house to people bringing stuff home from yard sales and getting personal attacks and horrible dreams resulting in them dystroying stuff they brought home or getting rid of it.. .

i also remember hearing a sister say she had to pray in a home with a study because the study started to get attacked.

Marvin Shilmer

In the world of JW issues/concerns come and go based on what comes and goes in Watchtower teaching.

Demon activity used to be trumpeted by Watchtower. Today it's not. So today JWs don't report incidence of demon attacks like they did formerly.

Watchtower used to show pictures of demonized houses and substances. See: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/05/demons-everywhere.html

Today Watchtower is very careful not to trumpet incidents as though demon activity.

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Questions for those who believe in the Watchtower Blood Policy

by Lee Elder in

new article on ajwrb:.

http://ajwrb.org/medicine/questions-for-those-who-believe-in-the-watcthower-blood-policy.

lee.

Marvin Shilmer

What about GOD'S 'Blood policy'?

From Noah to the Apostles?

Deny the meaning of the word "Abstain"?

God's "Blood policy" expressed to Noah and, according to Watchtower, reiterated in the Apostolic Decree was to abstain from EATING blood of animals slaughtered to eat them as food.

Otherwise Noah was free to do whatever he wanted with blood of animals he killed for food whenever he wanted to do it.

Oh, and one other important thing: Nowhere was Noah required to abstain from eating blood of animals that died of themselves (that is: deceased animal carcasses found dead of causes CREATED BY GOD, like old age).

And, finally, one more thing: The practice of medicinal transplantation of blood was practiced by ancient peoples and Noah was not prohibited from this use of blood. (See: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2010/01/medicinal-use-of-blood.html

Marvin Shilmer

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Transfusing blood is NOT eating blood

by Rufus T. Firefly in

jw
friends

watchtowers official view:.

you also ask why one can be disfellowshipped for taking a blood transfusion but not for taking blood fractions.

while both may affect the life of an individual, the expression "life-sustaining" in connection with blood transfusions is synonymous with the idea of taking in food for nourishment.

Marvin Shilmer

Biological cellular tissue is eventually catabolized by the body but this is a destructive metabolism rather than a constructive metabolism. (I.e., catabolism is not nutrition) Because biological cellular structures influence new (replacement) cellular growth of tissue then anti-rejection therapy is necessary to different extents based on transplanted tissue, when a transplant occurred and the expected life of transplanted tissue.